Demolition on to the eternal shame of India
Many would have thought building a Ram mandir at the site where the Babri Masjid had stood till Dec.1992 would be one of the priorities of a parivar regime. But no, they are kicking off with Art.370, purporting to initiate a debate on the issue, but evidently hoping they can obliterate the constitutional provision and thus end what little autonomy the benighted province is enjoying. The parivar is yet to reconcile itself to partition and darkly hints all the time of finishing the unfinished agenda. Rolling back, erasing the past inconvenient to them, is a key part of their insidious programmes after all. In a recent article by MitulBaruah, a doctoral Candidate, Maxwell School of Citizenship and Public Affairs, Syracuse University, NY, titled, “Gujarat: Politics of “Development” or Politics of “Erasures?” (http://www.countercurrents.org/baruah290514.htm), he concluded his excellent piece stating, “In a nutshell, what is being popularized as a politics of “development” by the Modi supporters can be instead read as a politics of “erasures.” If there is a “Gujarat model”, it is about erasing ecologies, traditional livelihoods, social fabric, and, above all, certain histories. Finally, with the Sangh Parivar’s well-known stand on the questions of ‘Uniform Civil Code,’ ‘Article 370,’ and ‘Hindu Rashtra,’ there is enough reason to fear that the very defining characteristic of India – its “diversity” – may soon be a thing of the past.”
Beautiful Kashmir
In the circumstances, it would be hazardous to be dragged into the legal and constitutional questions around Article 370 alone. Dr.Karan Singh, has put out a very reasoned and informative statement, appealing for a cooling of temperatures on the issue. The parivar is of course unlikely to oblige, it will keep going back to the issue till the ‘critical mass’ is attained, when it can strike with ferocity as it did on Dec.6, 1992.
While the constitutional issues and legal questions are indeed important and we should remember other special provisions such as Art. 371 for Nagaland, we should also be wary and better focus on the reasons why the RSS and its front organizations including the BJP keep raising such contentious issues. First of all it is by raising these issues it can keep harping back to the fact that nation- building at the time of Independence was flawed, whisper in the ears of the naïve that the “unjust history” has to be disowned, goad them to shape a Hindu majoritarian future that denies lower castes and tribals their identities and their aspirations and eventually erase our history. 
Doing away with Art. 370, kicking out Bangladeshi refugees, ending the Uniform Civil Code and removing pluralist interpretations of our culture, history and civilizations are all part of that same fascist project. It works like a hydra-headed monster with each head engaging those who disagree with their multi-layered anti-civilizational project. But fighting back is not going to be easy.
As in the Greek myths, each head that is cut off will grow two more heads with poisonous breath and animated by virulent blood. Heracles had to resort to a lot of ingenuity and required lot of help to finally overcome the nine-headed serpent of Lerna.
So also the secular and progressive sections should be very careful in fighting this manifest social evil. The first rule is do not engage in the terms of their debate. No debate on Art. 370, but only educating people what it is along with other similar provisions in the constitution and thus educate people about the deeper values embedded in our constitution.
People must be told that the debate about Art. 370 is not so much about that specific proviso itself, but aimed at creating conditions conducive enough to attack all the provisions for affirmative action and social justice enshrined in our constitutional scheme of things. Always expose the self-serving hypocrisy of their arguments. Discussion on Art. 370, but not 371 while supporting special provisions in the Sri Lankan Constitution for the Tamil areas.
Rabindranath Tagore
Don’t rush to debate every controversy that the Sangh manipulators put up for debate, avoid it and go on to construct positive discourses around deeper values and perspectives drawing from our history and constitution. We should hark back to nation-builders like Rabindranath Tagore whom they abhor and are scared of like Dracula in the movies, running away at the sight of a Christian Cross.
Place limits and do not glorify the politics of identity, especially in places like Tamil Nadu with its excessive Tamil identity politics to the detriment of other important issues of justice and equality. Such identity politics, like the other extremes in Maharashtra only help in advancing the fascist politics of the RSS and its parivar and their attempts to destroy the idea of India, if not India itself.
(Mr Rendra is a Mysore-based analyst.)
http://www.west-bengal.com/blog/muslim-persecution-of-hindus-in-india-an-untold-story/79275.html
First remove your name it resembles the religion you belongs to .To be secular convert your name to a number .and i am not going to do that because i am going to keep my name and remain non secular.
Barking and Blabbering of a loser. Can be ignored. These people (Shankar and Co.,) have been preaching this ideology for years and people have ignored that. Still they are not able to digest Modi’s victory. Who cares? Better think something better against Modi. You will find it tough. He will not give you a chance.
It is fashionable to support Dalits and Muslims, some think. Some people think it is secular..can’t help them. why not rhis Rendra or Moonra try writing like this in Saudi, the most ‘secular country’ in the world?
I request all the comment writers one thing, I know that we all have been influenced by some ideologies for the years. But we have to analyse one thing whether these ideologies made me a good human being to be kind with all the people in India and the word, love them without being hatred, biased based on the religion, language, caste and creed.
Whoever kills and do the harmful to the human being, are killers of the society irrespective of the religion, language, case and creed.
Neither Islam or Muslim leaders supports killing of innocents and children, by the way Islam prohibits such things .
For your information, please see the references from Holy Quran and the teachings of Prophet Muhammad(SAW)
Bukhari Volume 004, Book 052, Hadith Number 257.
Narrated By ‘Abdullah : During some of the Ghazawat of the Prophet a woman was found killed. Allah’s Apostle disapproved the killing of women and children.
( I can quote many such references, just have given only one)
“Whoever kills a believer intentionally, their reward will be Hell, to abide therein forever, and the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon them, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for them.” (Holy Quran, Chapter 4, Verse 93)
“On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone kills a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if they killed all people. And if any one saved a life, it would be as if they saved the life of all people.” (Holy Quran, Chapter 5, Verse 32)
Every time when there was a Bombing or killing by so called Jihadist, the muslims and muslim leaders condemn this cowardly act, unfortunately these news will come only in the Muslim Medias, main stream medias conveniently hide these news never publish it.
Dear Brothers,
We Muslim, love every Indian irrespective their religion, language, caste and creed, may be some muslims may do nonsenses, we never support them rather we condemn their acts.
We request you to kindly, do not generalise things, since these things are common to all people belonging from different religion, language, caste and creed.
I am not trying to argue with any body here, just I am trying to clarify certain things to you all. So that we can live together with peace and harmony develop our India to be model nation in the world by including every people in India not by dividing them.
We support each other and help each other after all we are all human being having same blood and feelings and created by the same GOD.
Hope every one of you understand the spirit behind my comments with unbiased mind & heart.
Kindly do not read between the lines, try to pick up my words and try to argue with me, I am not interested in it.
Quran 9:5
“And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.”
(For the non-muslims, the merciful and forgiving allah and the rasool give the above simple punishment of death, just for the reason that they are not accepting islam)
We will now see about the merciful rasool as recorded by muslim historians.
The Prophet of Allâh not only encouraged assassination, he advocated deception and treachery, as well. One of the victims of Muhammad’s assassination operations was an old man called Abu Afak, who was said to be 120 years old. He composed poetry, some of which lamented that people had become followers of Muhammad. He wrote that Muhammad was a crazed man who arbitrarily told people what was prohibited and what was allowed, and who had caused them to surrender their intelligence and become hostile to one another. Ibn Sa’d reports this story as follows:
Then occurred the “sariyyah” [raid] of Salim Ibn Umayr al-Amri against Abu Afak, the Jew, in [the month of] Shawwal in the beginning of the twentieth month from the hijrah [immigration from Mecca to Medina in AD 622], of the Apostle of Allâh. Abu Afak, was from Banu Amr Ibn Awf, and was an old man who had attained the age of one hundred and twenty years. He was a Jew, and used to instigate the people against the Apostle of Allâh, and composed (satirical) verses [about Muhammad].
Salim Ibn Umayr who was one of the great weepers and who had participated in Badr, said, “I take a vow that I shall either kill Abu Afak or die before him. He waited for an opportunity until a hot night came, and Abu Afak slept in an open place. Salim Ibn Umayr knew it, so he placed the sword on his liver and pressed it till it reached his bed. The enemy of Allâh screamed and the people who were his followers, rushed to him, took him to his house and interred him. (The Kitab al Tabaqat al kabir, Vol. 2, p 31)
The only “crime” this aged man had committed was in composing satirical verses critical of Muhammad.
When Asma bint Marwan, a Jewish mother of five small children heard about this, she was so outraged that she composed a poem cursing the men of Medina for letting a stranger divide them and for allowing him to assassinate a venerable old man. Again Muhammad went to the pulpit and cried out:
“Who will rid me of Marwan’s daughter?” `Umayr bin. `Adiy al-Khatmi who was with him heard him, and that very night he went to her house and killed her. In the morning he came to the apostle and told him what he had done and he [Muhammad] said, “You have helped Allâh and His apostle, O `Umayr!” When he asked if he would have to bear any evil consequences, the apostle said, “Two goats won’t butt their heads about her.” ( From pp. 675-676 of The Life of Muhammad , which is A. Guilaume’s translation of Sirat Rasul Allâh.)
Rasool was not able to face any criticism from anybody. So he ordered the above punishments and rejoiced over the execution.
This is an example of mercy of muhammad as recorded by muslims (not by christians or jews).
I have given the Islamic sources to read further to know about islam and the rasool.
Quran 9:5
(போர் விலக்கப்பட்ட துல்கஃதா, துல்ஹஜ்ஜு, முஹர்ரம், ரஜபு ஆகிய நான்கு) சங்ககைமிக்க மாதங்கள் கழிந்து விட்டால் முஷ்ரிக்குகளைக் கண்ட இடங்களில் வெட்டுங்கள், அவர்களைப் பிடியுங்கள்; அவர்களை முற்றுகையிடுங்கள், ஒவ்வொரு பதுங்குமிடத்திலும் அவர்களைக் குறிவைத்து உட்கார்ந்திருங்கள் – ஆனால் அவர்கள் (மனத்திருந்தி தம் பாவங்களிலிருந்து) தவ்பா செய்து மீண்டு, தொழுகையையும் கடைப்பிடித்து (ஏழைவரியாகிய) ஜகாத்தும் (முறைப்படிக்) கொடுத்து வருவார்களானால் (அவர்களை) அவர்கள் வழியில் விட்டுவிடுங்கள் – நிச்சயமாக அல்லாஹ் மிக்க மன்னிப்போனாகவும், கிருபையுடையவனாகவும் இருக்கின்றான்.
The above translation is also taken from an islamic web-site to promote quran.
சகோ. அபூ மர்யம்,
நீங்கள் என்னமோ இஸ்லாம், குரான், முகமது நபி எல்லாம் வன்முறையையும் எவரையும் கொல்வதையும் ஏற்பதில்லை, என்று சொல்லி அதற்கு குரான் வாக்கியத்தை மேற்கோளாகவும் காட்டி இருக்கிறீர்கள். அந்த மேற்கோளே இஸ்லாம் எப்படி பிற மதத்தினரைக் கொல்லச் சொல்கிறது என்பதை நிரூபிக்கிறது!
Whoever kills a believer intentionally, their reward will be Hell, to abide therein forever, and the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon them, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for them.” (Holy Quran, Chapter 4, Verse 93)
நன்றாகப் படியுங்கள், சகோதரா,
யாராவது “நம்பிக்கையாளரை” வேண்டுமென்றே கொன்றால் என்று இருக்கிறது. ஆக நம்பிக்கை இல்லாதவரைக் கொல்லுதல் அல்லாவின் கோபத்துக்கும் சாபத்துக்கும் ஆட்பட்டதில்லை! அவர்களுக்கு எந்த பயங்கரமான தண்டனையும் கிடையாது என்றுதான் குரான் சொல்கிறது.
நம்பிக்கையாளர் என்பவர் யார்? முஸ்லிம். அதாவது சகோதரர் நீங்களும் இதில் உண்டு.
நம்பிக்கையாளர் அல்லாதவர் யார்? முஸ்லிம் அல்லாத எவரும், இதில் நாத்திகரும் அடக்கம். கம்யூனிஸ்டும் அடக்கம். அதாவது வீரமணியும், ஜெகவீரபாண்டியனும், கருணாநிதியும், ஸ்டாலினும், அன்பழகனும், முலாயமும், டி.என்.கோபாலனும், சவுக்கு சங்கரும், மோடியும், அத்வானியும், எஸ்ரா சர்க்குணமும், நேற்று செத்த கர்தினல் லூர்துசாமியும், என்று எல்லாரும் இந்த லிஸ்டில் உண்டு!
எனவே, இந்த மாதிரியான கருத்துக்களைக் குராண் கொண்டுள்ளாதால்தான் அயோதுல்லா கொமேனிகளும், பின் லாடன்களும், அல் ஜவகரிகளும், அல்-கொய்தாக்களும், ஹிஸ்புல்லாக்களும், லஷ்கர் இ தொய்பாக்களும், தாலிபான்களும், அல்-உம்மாக்களும், மதானிகளும், மனித நேய ஜவகரிருல்லாக்களும், தவுகீத் ஜமாத் ஜைனுல்லாபுதீன்களும், சவுதி அரசர்களும், கத்தார் அமீர்களும், ஏமனி அமீர்களும், நைஜீரிய போகோ ஹராம்களும் உருவாகி வளர்ந்து மனித சமுதாயத்துக்கே அச்சுறுத்தலை விளைவித்து வருகிறார்கள்.
அன்பரே, உண்மையாகவே உங்களுக்கு அமைதியிலும், சகோதரத்துவத்திலும் ஈடுபாடும் நாட்டமும் இருக்குமானால் சுத்தப்படுத்தும் வேலையை இஸ்லாமிய மதத்துக்குள் செய்யுங்கள். இந்துக்கள் தொடர்ந்து அந்த வேலையை எங்களுக்குள் செய்து கொண்டு இருப்பதால்தான் தீண்டாமையை பெருமளவு ஒழித்திருக்கிறோம்.
இந்துமதம் போன்ற ஒரு சகிப்புத் தன்மை கொண்ட மதத்தை எங்கும் பார்க்க இயலாது. இந்த மதத்தின் மீது நம்பிக்கை அற்றவர்கள் என்றோ, நாத்திகர் என்றோ எவரையும் இந்து மதம் ஒதுக்காது, கொல்லாது. கடந்த பல்லாயிர ஆண்டு சரித்திரம் சொல்லும் சாட்சி இது. ஆனால் இஸ்லாமும், கிறித்துவமும் நடத்திய ஒழிப்புப் போர்கள் எண்ணிலடங்காதவை. இஸ்லாமியர்களும், கிறித்தவர்களிம் இந்து மதத்தினரைப் பார்த்து மதச்சார்பின்மை போதிப்பது சாத்தான் வேதம் ஓதுவதற்கு ஒப்பானது.
சவுதி அராபியா உள்ளிட்ட முஸ்லிம் நாடுகளில் செய்யப்படும் மதவெறிச் செயல்களை நிறுத்துவது குறித்து எப்போது விவாதிக்கலாம் என்பதை எந்த ஜவகரிருல்லாவும் ஜைனுலாபுதீனும், நீங்களும் சொல்வீர்களா?
Can the author prove that without support from so called common man muslims these jihadis survive and do all the anti-india activities? How many times these muslim community has come forward and taken action against their wrong doers and hand over them to the law enforcement?
Just ask them to do basic things like be true Indian, obey its laws, and pay taxes properly then all these problems will stop on its own. It is not time of majority crushing or in Savukku’s terms erasing the muslim community. It is survival of majority against minority. All are equal and in a country and religion should be separated from politics.
Same with Christians… they say they are doing service, building schools, etc but what is their hidden agenda? Convert as many people as possible to Christianity. Even in countries like US Chistians are loosing faith in their religion and these churches need to expand so they are looking for countries like India.
If there is one true muslim, ask him to go and contest election without using support of their own religion, with out riding on back of other political parties and win hearts of common man thru his service to the community then I will start quitting my super paying job and I will go work for him without pay for my lifetime.
Dear Brother Appavi Tamilan,
Kindly visit the website http://welfarepartyofindia.org/. This party started by muslims along with all community leaders to serve Indian people with clean heart and mind without any vested agenda to free the Indian people from the corrupted and dividing politics.
As you say,
“If there is one true muslim, ask him to go and contest election without using support of their own religion, with out riding on back of other political parties and win hearts of common man thru his service to the community then I will start quitting my super paying job and I will go work for him without pay for my lifetime”
Kindly come and explore the party principles and agenda and if you find that the party agenda align with your expectations as said above, be true to your statement.
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What a nonsense article. The very existence of Babri Masjid built by destroying a very important Ancient Hindu temple is the REAL shame on India. The same destruction of Temples is going on along with Rape Jihad in Kashmir, Bengal & elsewhere by Jihadi groups & the article writer has nothing to say about that.
If secularism means Hindus accepting being raped, destroyed & force converted then that is not the kind of secularism India needs. India is tolerant because of its Hindu majority being accepting of all religions, if Indian secularism is Anti-Hindu then India is committing suicide.
only the so called intelligentsia talks all the rubbish. the majority who voted for modi and his policies are confident what he is capable of.
(Mr Rendra is a Mysore-based analyst.)
Mr. Rendra is not doing analysis… he is giving an opinion of the side of the coin he sees, not of what is in store on the other side. If he is an analyst, he should give both pro’s and con’s of what he is analyzing, not just give the cons.
To all people who support secularism, non violence etc. and etc… will you allow some unknown person to occupy your house, or at least a portion of your house??? if yes, then support infiltrations. will you be practicing non violence, if you see your brother getting butchered or your sister and mom getting raped??? this happened when India was partitioned. Have any body thought why there is no communal violence or very minimal violence between Hindus and Christians??? why should Kashmir enjoy a special status when most of the money from other states is pumped in to Kashmir for security. unless the special status is revoked Kashmir will not develop. when India was considered a Hindu country in the history, why should we accept our defeat and proclaim ourselves as secular??? there was no muslim before the mugal invasion.
The so called analysts please think before you write something. As an analyst do not only analyze the current situation, analyze its history.
Secularism, Properly Understood, Is Not a Bad Word!!!!
PROBABLY YOU ARE IGNORANT OR TOO IDIOTIC TO WRITE THIS ARTICLE. SHOW ME ONE MASJID , JUST ONLY ONE MASJID WHERE EXISTING TEMPLE OF HINDUS WERE DESTROYED AND ONLY IN THAT PLACE MASJID WAS NOT BUILT IN INDIA. AS AN IMPARTIAL INDIAN (NOT HINDU) I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE DEMOLITION OF BABRI MASJID.IT IS LAID IN ISLAMIC TRILOGY (KURAN HADITHS AND SIRAT) THAT ALL OTHER PLACES OF WORSHIP TO BE DESTROYED AND ONLY IN THAT PLACE MASJID IS TO BE BUILT. IT IS SO FROM 638 AD
Siraj Al Haq
Archeological evidence is available for a masjid that has been a temple earlier within Chennai Corporation limits. Neither the State Department of Archeology or persons like me will reveal which one is it, because we want peace. Please do not raise such ill-founded challenges, because a person who has no control over himself might reveal facts so as to establish the truth. Truth will be established but peace would perish. As Tiruvalluvar says, if untruth is left untouched and because of that peace would prevail then it is better to leave the untruth. That is why I leave this challenge of yours based on untruth as it is.
When the historical Buddha statues were bombed and destroyed by the terrorists in Afghan, these so called good muslims did not raise any objection.
So many Hindu temples were destructed and so many statues were mutilated by the muslims and we can give a detailed list of such atrocities.
For a single case of babri masjid, every year these muslim terrorists are creating a big law and order problem.
So far there are secularists, muslims can do anything.
Typical secularist article. It is not kicking out of Bangladeshi refugees, it is driving out of infiltrators. No self respecting nation will confer infiltrators citizenship. Do you them to be given citizenship?
special provision for srilankan tamil is needed because they are indigenous people and are not seeking special provision because they belong to different religion.
It is not that you may not know this. But may not admit.
My question is who made India’s secularism a bad word? Only political class cannot be held accountable. Un-named groups of educationists, media men and others too should be put under dock for their participation in the activities that harmed India’s pluralism paving a way for other groups to go beyond the ethics of politics and views.
It can be simplified by their actions. Reservation to Muslim community by state or central government witnessed heavy opposition by un-named groups labelling it anti-constitution with no outcry when Jat community is given reservation by current UPA government at center.
Central government’s letter to states to review the cases of innocent Muslim youths arrested wrongfully in terror cases is seen a dangerous move and a part of minority appeasement policy, on the other side, no question is raised over soft corner of huge section of decision making elements over Hindu Right-wing terrorism.
That’s why I mentioned simi and alumma are not separatists. They don’t seek separating from India. Rather they attempt to take revenge as justice elude them. Innocents are victimized. How many of have guts to investigate and have hard look at afzal guru case? Even ram jetmalani wrote articles to assert afzals innocence until he wanted mp seat through bjp.
People must understand. Muslims here are not crushable minority. You can’t just get away by doing what hitler did to Jews. Don’t even dream of it. It is our motherland like anybody else. We will defend the country from evils and we will defend our rights as well.
Patriotism doesn’t mean supporting all the wrongs what government does. Being good human being means more than being a wrong patriot.
Unless respect, truth, wisdom and honesty, there is no way any problem can be resolved.
Cunning and shrewdness are not symbols of good human being. When some attempt to enslave others every human will oppose it.
“That’s why I mentioned simi and alumma are not separatists. They don’t seek separating from India. Rather they attempt to take revenge as justice elude them. Innocents are victimized. ”
ooh, that’s interesting. How do they take revenge, by PLANTING BOMBS and killing innocent people?
Remember the so called today’s muslims have been forcefully converted few hundred years ago. No one embraced Islam out of love, they fear monger mughals did it. Next Hinduism is not a religion before invaders came. It was the culture of this land practiced for thousand of years which embraced all the good and bad things brought by Aryans.
Pls donot believe whatever the media reports…You can consider one recent case of AFZAL GURU….And the recent blastings in the UPA was done none other than by the Hindu activists…It is known to the world..But it covered to the core…dont blame only one party..See the history….”WHEN SAINTS OR RELIGIOUS ACTIVISTS INTERFERES IN POLITICS THEN THERE WILL ONLY BE CHAOS/INEQUALITY/ALL OTHER PROBLEMS…SARDER PATEL was the first person to raise his voice to destroy RSS…The mistake of letting off done that day…Today all are paying the price…
Shankar, It is sad you appreciate this thought pattern as excellent. DO you support violent behaviour of Al-Umma in the guise of there being derailment of justice? Is the Coimbatore bombing justified? Was there such an extreme derailment of justice in Coimbatore or Tamilnadu for that matter that justifies Coimbatore bombings by Al-Umma?
You were arrested and there is a visible case of human rights violation, derailment of justice. Did you take to bombing as done by Al-Umma? Kader says that derailment of justice is the cause for Al-Umma committing terrorist acts. How do you say that this is excellent thought process? Today, this view point of reply might carry this article getting justified, but the acts of terrorism committed by Al-Umma, if encouraged by these kinds of excuses, will destroy the peace in the Society.
If one Shankar could withstand the victimisation, raise above partisan thoughts and take to the path of fight against corruption, that is appreciated as positive response to victimisation and violation of human rights.
But the case of all these Al-Ummas and SIMI are not so. The terrorist actions of Al-Ummas and SIMIs are guided by the principles enshrined in the Kuran as cited by Abu Maryam himself and other hadiths quoted hereinabove. It is high time that persons like you realise the danger of religious faith that ordains the killing of infidels and kafirs. Unless the Muslims themselves declare that the hadiths and Kuran verses that ordains such killings are not to be pursued or followed, terrorism in the name of Islam will be practised by one group or the other, but they will give all and sundry excuses.
The Hindu Society has been undergoing changes from time to time based on Society’s perceptions. In the last century there is better awareness against untouchability and caste discrimination. People have now realised that belittling any human on the basis of birth in a specific caste is a sin and that shall not be allowed. The Hindu Society openly condemns such practices and if any one practices he is shunned and laws have been made to punish them. Despite the legal provisions and institution of impartial justice administration the practice of untouchability and discrimination against Scheduled Castes has not been fully eliminated. The Hindu Society feels ashamed on such happenings and even in the recent Dharmapuri incidents, the Society did not approve the burnings and killings.
While so, the provisions contained in Manu Smiriti or the Yagyavalkia Smiriti ordaining the discrimination have been condemned and declared as not acceptable by even orgainisations such as the Viswa Hindu Parishad. excerpts from their web site is as under:
“The “Manu Smriti” or the “Yagyavalkya Smriti” has no connection with Adi Manu or the Sage Yagyavalkya. The “Smritis” were written during the reign of Pushyamitra about 2200 years ago. There is no reference of such Smritis in the Mahabharata.”
“The Vishva Hindu Parishad totally rejects the “Manu Smriti” as it has no place in a civilized society. The Adi Manu Smriti is the Gita as revealed in Chapter IV of the Gita. The Dharma Sansad and the Margadarshak Mandal of Vishva Hindu Parishad constituted of Dharmacharyas, Sants, Mahamandaleshwars and Mahants have totally rejected caste untouchability as prevalent in the Hindu society today. They have decided to give ‘Mantra Deeksha’ without any discrimination.
In the Vedas, there is no discrimination amongst the four Varnas. All are considered genius and masterminds in their own fields and all looked upon one another with respect. Recitation of the Vedic Mantras in daily life was practiced by the entire society irrespective of Varna.”
All that I suggest is that the Scholars among the Muslims to declare openly that they denounce and reject the contents of Kuran and Hadith wherever they ordain the killing of non-believers or Kafirs. And Persons like Savukku, if they are really interested in true Secularism, human rights and peace, should similarly denounce openly such contents of Kuran or Hadith. Such thought pattern alone can be hailed as excellent and not the ones that support violent path.
Excellent thought pattern Kader…
All that I suggest is that the Scholars among the Muslims to declare openly that they denounce and reject the contents of Kuran and Hadith wherever they ordain the killing of non-believers or Kafirs. And Persons like Savukku, if they are really interested in true Secularism, human rights and peace, should similarly denounce openly such contents of Kuran or Hadith. Such thought pattern alone can be hailed as excellent and not the ones that support violent path.
Savukku Shankar,
I am afraid you might call the following passages also as EXCELLENT THOUGHT PATTERN !
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Al-Tabari’s (838-923 AD) Tafsir, or Quranic exegeses, is essentially a standard reference in the entire Muslim world. Regarding 3:28, he wrote: “If you [Muslims] are under their [infidels’] authority, fearing for yourselves, behave loyally to them, with your tongue, while harbouring inner animosity for them… Allah has forbidden believers from being friendly or on intimate terms with the infidels in place of believers – except when infidels are above them [in authority]. In such a scenario, let them act friendly towards them.”
Regarding 3:28, the Islamic scholar Ibn Kathir (1301-1373) wrote: “Whoever at any time or place fears their [infidels’] evil, may protect himself through outward show.”
As proof of this, he quotes Muhammad’s companions. Abu Darda said: “Let us smile to the face of some people while our hearts curse them.” Al-Hassan said: “Doing taqiyya is acceptable till the day of judgment [in perpetuity].”
Other prominent ulema, such as al- Qurtubi , al-Razi, and al-Arabi have extended taqiyya to cover deeds. Muslims can behave like infidels – from bowing down and worshipping idols and crosses to even exposing fellow Muslims’ “weak spots” to the infidel enemy – anything short of actually killing a fellow Muslim.
According to all four recognised schools of Sunni jurisprudence, war against the infidel goes on in perpetuity, until “all chaos ceases, and all religion belongs to Allah” (Quran 8:39). According to the definitive Encyclopaedia of Islam (Brill Online edition): “The duty of the jihad exists as long as the universal domination of Islam has not been attained. Peace with non-Muslim nations is, therefore, a provisional state of affairs only; the chance of circumstances alone can justify it temporarily. Furthermore there can be no question of genuine peace treaties with these nations; only truces, whose duration ought not, in principle, to exceed ten years, are authorised. But even such truces are precarious, inasmuch as they can, before they expire, be repudiated unilaterally should it appear more profitable for Islam to resume the conflict.”
The concept of obligatory jihad is best expressed by Islam’s dichotomised worldview that pits Dar al Islam (House of Islam) against Dar al Harb (House of War or non-Muslims) until the former subsumes the latter. Muslim historian and philosopher, Ibn Khaldun (1332- 1406), articulated this division by saying: “In the Muslim community, holy war [jihad] is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and the obligation to convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force. The other religious groups did not have a universal mission, and the holy war was not a religious duty for them, save only for purposes of defence. But Islam is under obligation to gain power over other nations.”
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சிரித்துக் கொண்டே “மாமா, மச்சான்” என்று பழகி சமயம் வரும்போது கொன்றுவிடு என்று சொல்லும் ஹதித்துக்களும், உலேமாக்களும்தான் அமைதி மார்க்கத்தைப் பரப்புபவர்கள்!
“கூட இருந்தே கழுத்தறு”, “உறவாடிக் கொல்” என்று சொல்வதை “Excellent thought pattern” என்று போற்றிப் புகழ்கிறீர்கள் !!
இப்படி ஒரு மதத்தின் அடிப்படை நூல்கள் கூறுவதைக் கண்டிக்க மனம் இல்லை என்றால் அதற்குப் பெயர் மதச் சார்பின்மையா? மனித நேயமா?
இப்படித்தான் இப்போது ஜ்வகரிருல்லா சிரித்த முகத்துடன் உறவாடி வருகிறார். சமயம் வரும்போது கோவையில் குண்டு வெடிப்பு நிகழ்த்தினார். அவர் மாண்புமிகு சட்ட மன்ற உறுப்பினர்! இது “miscarriage of justice” இல்லையா? இப்படிப்பட்டவர் தேர்தலில் வெல்ல ஆதரவளித்த ஜெயலலிதாவை நீங்கள் கருணாநிதியைச் சாடும் அளவுக்குச் சாடி இருக்கிறீர்களா?
What most people don’t know is that deception and assassination were Muhammad’s way of dealing with his opponents. Today’s Muslim assassins are merely following their prophet’s (rasool) best example.
Ka’b bin Ashraf was one of Muhammad’s victims. As Muslim historians have reported, he was young and handsome, a talented poet and a chief of the Banu Nadir, one of the Jewish tribes of Medina . After Muhammad banished the Banu Qainuqa’, another Jewish tribe of Medina , Ka’b became concerned about his own people’s security vis-à-vis the Muslims, so he visited Mecca to seek protection. He composed poems and praised the Meccans for their bravery and honor.
When Muhammad heard about this, he went to the mosque, and after the prayer, said:
“Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allâh and His Apostle?” Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, “O Allâh’s Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?” The Prophet said, “Yes.” Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Ka’b).”
The Prophet said, “You may say it.” Rasool (the best example to follow!!!) happily permitted to tell a lie. We may call it a holy deception.
Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Ka’b and said, “That man (i.e. Muhammad) demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat [alms]) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you.” On that, Kab said, “By Allâh, you will get tired of him!” Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food.” …Muhammad bin Maslama and his companion promised Kab that Muhammad [bin Maslama] would return to him.
He came to Kab at night along with Kab’s foster brother, Abu Na’ila. Kab invited them to come into his fort, and then he went down to them. His wife asked him, “Where are you going at this time?” Kab replied, “None but Muhammad bin Maslama and my (foster) brother Abu Na’ila have come.” His wife said, “I hear a voice as if blood is dripping from him.” Ka’b said, “They are none but my brother Muhammad bin Maslama and my foster brother Abu Naila. A generous man should respond to a call at night even if invited to be killed.”
…So Muhammad bin Maslama went in together with two men, and said to them, “When Ka’b comes, I will touch his hair and smell it, and when you see that I have got hold of his head, strip him. I will let you smell his head.” Kab bin Al-Ashraf came down to them wrapped in his clothes, and diffusing perfume. Muhammad bin Maslama said, “I have never smelt a better scent than this.” Ka’b replied, “I have got the best Arab women who know how to use the high class of perfume.” Muhammad bin Maslama requested of Ka’b, “Will you allow me to smell your head?” Ka’b said, “Yes.” Muhammad smelt it and made his companions smell it as well. Then he requested of Ka’b again, “Will you let me (smell your head)?” Ka’b said, “Yes.”
When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), “Get at him!” So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf.
Please refer Al Bukhari, 5.59.369
Muslims’ best example to follow is this merciful murderer or gangster or dhadha. Their behaviour will be like their rasool only. Deception, deception and deception.
இன்றைய செய்தியை இரு நாளிதழ்களிலிருந்து கீழே பதித்திருக்கிறேன்.
இதனால் அறியப்படுவது:
அல்-உம்மாவின் கொடுஞ்செயல்களுக்குக் காரணம், நீதி வழுவியமை அல்ல. 1992 இல் நடந்த பழைய கட்டட இடிப்பும் அல்ல. இஸ்லாத்தில் சொல்லப் பட்டிருக்கும் ஜிஹாத், காஃபிர்களைக் கொல்லுதல், இவற்றைச் செய்பவர்களுக்குக் கிடைக்கும் சொர்க்கவாசம் ஆகியவைதான் என்பது திடமாகத் தெரிகிறது.
அல்-உம்மாவின் நிறுவனர் ஜவகரிருல்லா இப்போது பசுத்தோல் போர்த்தி நடமாடுவது குறித்து எந்த அரசியல் கட்சியும் அல்லது மனித உரிமை ஆர்வலரும் அல்லது கம்ம்யூனிஸ்டும் அல்லது நாத்திகவாத திராவிடர் கழகம் போன்றோரும் பேசாதிருப்பது கள்ள மவுனம் மட்டும் அல்ல, தேசத்தின் மீதும் உண்மையின் மீதும் உண்மையான அக்கறையின்மை ஆகும்.
Excerpts from The Hindu dt 14.06.2014
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The Crime Branch CID Police have been granted two-day custody of Hyder Ali (45). A special court in the city ordered Ali’s custody based on a petition the police had filed a couple of days ago.
Ali will remain in police custody on Wednesday and Thursday.
The police had told the court that they wanted to probe Ali for his involvement in the case related to concealing explosives and trying to create communal unrest in Ukkadam, following the arrest of Al Umma leader Basha for his role in the Chennai RSS office bomb blast case in 1993.
The police also told the court that he had had a role in the violence that reputed during the Veera Ganesh funeral in the city in 1989. After obtaining bail in both the cases, Ali went underground and had since evaded the law.
After a wait of more than 20 years, the police arrested Ali in Palakkad a few days ago. Meanwhile, the court will take up on June 17 the bail petition filed by Ali.
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Excerpts from Dinamalar:
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கோவை,:கடந்த 1989ல், கோவை மாநகர் மாவட்ட இந்து முன்னணி அமைப்பாளராக இருந்த வீரகணேஷ் கொலை செய்யப்பட்டார். இவரது இறுதி ஊர்வலத்தில் பங்கேற்று திரும்பிய இந்து முன்னணி பிரமுகர்கள், கத்தியால் குத்தப்பட்டனர். இச்சம்பவம் தொடர்பாக, தடை செய்யப்பட்ட அல் உம்மா இயக்கத்தை சேர்ந்த உக்கடம் ஹைதர் அலி, 45 உட்பட, 12 பேர் கைது செய்யப்பட்டனர்; ஜாமினில் வந்த ஹைதர் அலி, தலைமறைவானார். அதன்பின் நடந்த பல்வேறு குற்ற சம்பவங்களில் ஹைதர் அலிக்கு தொடர்பு இருப்பது தெரியவந்தது. 25 ஆண்டுகளாக தலைமறைவாக இருந்தவரை, சி.பி.சி.ஐ.டி சிறப்பு புலனாய்வு பிரிவினர், கடந்த 2ம் தேதி, பாலக்காட்டில் கைது செய்தனர்.
கோவை வெடிகுண்டு வழக்கு தனி நீதிமன்றத்தில், ஹைதர் அலியை ஏழு நாட்கள் போலீஸ் கஸ்டடியில் விசாரிக்க, போலீசார் மனு தாக்கல் செய்தனர்; நீதிபதி, மூன்று நாட்கள் விசாரிக்க அனுமதியளித்தார்.விசாரணைக்கு பின், நேற்று காலை, தனி நீதிமன்றத்தில் ஹைதர் அலி ஒப்படைக்கப்பட்டு, மீண்டும் கோவை மத்திய சிறையில் அடைக்கப்பட்டார்.
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Special provision to Kashmir not by religion. Rather special provision is because of the condition for accession. There are other Muslim majority regions in India and neither they ask for such provision nor they come under 370. So you must be ignorant to bundle religion with 370. Even Kashmiri pandits are beneficiaries of 370 who in fact formulated 370 which was signed by Karan Singh on behalf of Kashmiris.
One who argues people shouldn’t be asking for states accession based on religion and they should accept what king decides should ask themselves what India did in junagadh and manavadar – which were occupied by Indian army even after their kings signed agreement of accession to Pakistan. I’m not talking about Hyderabad which also geographically makes sense to be part of India.
If you read the history without taking sides any fair mind would tell you Jinnah played with fairness that he gave up Hindu majority regions even after their rulers acceded to Pakistan. Good examples are Hyderabad, junagadh and manavadar (later two share border with Pakistan). No Pakistan politics claim any rights to these.
Historians even say many non Muslim provinces annexed by coercion. Which include Manipur, Sikkim, Nagaland and tirpura. Btw. No Muslim issues here but there is insurgency.
When many parts of India fighting for separatism except Kashmir no other has any Muslim background.
Issues like simi or alumma could be easily solved if the govt employs fairness in judiciary. None of these groups are separatists.
Although I support the argument of sending Bangladesh refugees back to Bangladesh not all Muslims in West Bengal and Assam come from Bangladesh. This has to be handled with care and send actual migrants back to Bangladesh.
Finally. Kashmiriyath and Indian Muslims are two different things. There were Muslim leaders whoeven broke away from Jinnah to launch iuml which from its inception around the time of division swear allegence only to India not Pakistan one of those prominent is quaide millet who principally disagreed with the idea of Pakistan.
Reading “India wins freedom” by the legendary freedom fighter and political stalwart Mr Maulana Abul Kalam Azad(President of Congress party during Nehru and Gandhi’s period) would throw more light on minority appeasement politics practiced by Congressmen including Mahatma Gandhi. Azad says it is Gandhiji who gave prominence to Jinnah by fondly conferring him the title ‘Quidi-e-Azaam’ when Muslim league was openly hateful of congress dominance in post Independent era. Gandhiji first hard sold the idea of non-cooperation to Ali brothers during Khilafat agitation that which latter agreed as a matter of policy and not of creed stating that Islam permits them to take up arms for righteous cause. During Ali brother’s unreigned supremacy in politics, Muslim league was never able to amass huge electoral gains in Muslim dominated areas of Punjab and Sindh province. Except Gandhi it was Congress fault too in not widely accommodating Muslim leaders in British Cabinet Mission plan 1946. Right wingers in Congress do not want to concede more ministerial berths to minorities in that arrangement. When Muslim League(ML) insisted on Defence portfolio, they were offered Finance portfolio that was given to Mr Liaqat Ali Khan of ML who till the very end of the government put hurdles in the functioning of Sardar Patel as Home Minister with the help of Muslim officers in Finance department of British India. During partition India and Pakistan implicitly adopted the doctrine of hostage policy where innocent civilians were held as hostage and attacked in retaliation to violence let loose on their fraternity. Muslims in Pakistan attacked Hindus there when Hindus in India attacked Muslims here. River of blood flown all over. It was quite common then Hindus fleeing to India drove out Musilms here and illegally occupied their homes and vice versa happened in Pakistan when Muslims from Indian region moved to Pakistan and squatted on Hindu homes after forcefully evicting them. Gandhiji took a partisan stand by declaring fast untodeath against the cycle of violence and demanded Hindus to hand over the illegally occupied homes back to Muslims irking fanatical fringe of Hindu organisations like Hindu Mahsabha and RSS. Mahatma didn’t Request Muslims to reciprocate the gesture, but only insisted Hindus to do so. Many upper and middle class civil service landlord muslims didn’t migrate to Pakistan because of unbeknown future in the newly born country. When ML gave an edict to civil servants to join the executive services of the government failing which they have to face dire consequence, many didn’t join and begged the mediation of British and Indian govt with Pakistan to allow them to remain in India. Indian Muslims should thank Gandhi and Nehru for adopting Secularism as constitutionally enshrined ethos of the India, because when the issue of partition was taken up during Biritish, ML and congress tripartite talks. Questions were posed how to divide India between Muslims and Hindus as Muslims though in minority exist in every Tehsil and village and is part of the intricate social and cultural fabric of India. Idea of secularism is advanced to keep the identity of religion out of politics and governance.